Moonlight

Getting back on track when you lose your way

Stepfanie Aguilar camps at Red Rock Canyon State Park (photo courtesy stepfanie aguilar)

 
I learned something meaningful that night in the desert. I learned how important family stories can be, when you’re trying to move through this world.
— Stepfanie Aguilar
 

Season 4 // Episode 2

We’ve all had moments when we feel lost. Sometimes it’s literal — getting lost in the mountains or at sea. Sometimes it’s emotional — where we question our place in life. 

Either way, it’s unnerving. And lonely.

This story takes us from the deserts of California to the jungles of the Philippines, and explores how one young woman got back on track, when she lost her way, both literally and figuratively.

 

Credits

Story by Stepfanie Aguilar

Script editing and sound design by Willow Belden

Music includes works from Marc Merza and Blue Dot Sessions

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Living Without Hope

What if the problem you’re facing can’t be fixed?

Jacob ERickson (photo courtesy Jacob Erickson)

 
Going outside is my church. ... Backpacking is my devotion.
— Jacob Erickson
 

Season 4 // Episode 1

When someone is diagnosed with a terminal illness, there’s often a flood of difficult emotions. Grief. Depression. Learning to live without hope.

But more and more, people are experiencing that kind of anguish even when they’re perfectly healthy.

In this episode, we bring you the story of a young man named Jacob Erickson, who almost died from climate anxiety — before a pivotal moment in nature rekindled his will to live.

 

Credits

Story and sound design by Heather Kitching

Script editing by Willow Belden

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This Is How You Win the Time War

What if we redesigned time to work better for us?

 
We could start to see clock time for what it is: an artificial construct that we humans designed and that we can also change.
— Wade Roush
 

BONUS EPISODE // Guest story from Soonish

Clock time is a human invention. So it shouldn’t be a box that confines us; it should be a tool that helps us accomplish the things we care about.

But consider the system of standard time, first imposed by the railroad companies in the 1880s. It constrains people who live 1,000 miles apart—on opposite edges of their time zones—to get up and go to work or go to school at the same time, even though their local sunrise and sunset times may vary by an hour or more.

And it also consigns people who live on the eastern edges of their time zones to ludicrously early winter sunsets.

For over a century, we've been fiddling with standard time, adding complications such as Daylight Saving Time that are meant to give us a little more evening sunlight for at least part of the year. But what if these are just palliatives for a broken system? What if it's time to reset the clock and try something completely different?

This is a guest story from the podcast Soonish, first published in 2021.

 

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story by Wade Roush, produced for Soonish in 2021.

The Soonish opening theme is by Graham Gordon Ramsay. Additional music in Wade’s story from Titlecard Music and Sound.

Mark Chrisler from The Constant performed the voice of Dr. George Renaud.

 
 

Additional Links

Tom Emswiler, Why Mass. Should Defect From Its Time Zone, The Boston Globe, October 5, 2014

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New kids’ podcast!

Once Upon a Meadow brings you gentle, uplifting stories for 4- to 9-year-olds.

The characters are a community of animals and plants who live in a meadow and work together to flourish, despite their differences.

Each episode is richly interwoven with original music.

Notes in the Trees

Why the Dutch get their kids lost in the woods — on purpose

Artwork by Magdalena Metrycka

 
It’s part of the Dutch culture ... that you are basically on your own in life, and you have to figure out your own way.
— Pia de Jong
 

BONUS EPISODE // Guest story from Nocturne

Most parents would never consider leaving their kids in the dark woods at night, and letting them find their way back. But the Dutch do just that. They call it Dropping.

On this episode, Vanessa Lowe explores how Dropping shapes young people’s ability to handle life.

This is a guest episode from Nocturne, a podcast that explores the night and how thoughts, feelings and behaviors transform in the dark.

 

Episode Notes

Credits

Story by Vanessa Lowe, produced for Nocturne in 2021.

Music in Vanessa’s story by Janet Feder, Myles Boisen, Pollen Music Group, and Kid Otter. Nocturne theme music by Kent Sparling.

Episode art by Magdalena Metrycka.

Additional Links

Out There’s forthcoming kids’ podcast, Once Upon a Meadow, is set to launch Feb. 7.

Out There and Nocturne are members of Hub & Spoke, a collective of smart, idea-driven independent podcasts.

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Fallen Sky

A sculpture that lets you see the world anew

Sarah Sze’s “Fallen SKy”, located at Storm King Art Center (Photo courtesy Tamar Avishai)

 
When you’re interrupted by a sculpture in the middle of a landscape, it’s not really the sculpture you notice but the landscape itself.
— Tamar Avishai
 

BONUS // Guest Episode from The Lonely Palette

“Fallen Sky,” a work of installation art by Sarah Sze, is like a moon map etched into a hillside. On display at New York’s Storm King Art Center, its stainless-steel pillars are created to look like stone and mirror, ancient ruins that reflect the ever-changing sky.

On this episode, Tamar Avishai explores how Sze’s striking sculpture helps visitors pay attention to the world around us — and the world inside our head.

This is a special guest episode from The Lonely Palette, a podcast that returns art history to the masses, one object at a time.

Read the episode transcript here.

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story by Tamar Avishai, produced for The Lonely Palette in 2021, with support from Storm King Art Center

Music in Tamar’s story: Django Reinhardt, “Django’s Tiger” • The Andrews Sisters, "Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen" • The Blue Dot Sessions, “Plate Glass,” “Leatherbound,” “The Onyx,” “Silent Ocean,” “ZigZag Heart,” “Curious Case,” “On Top of It” • Evan Blanch, “Where The Streets Have No Name (Instrumental)” (U2 cover)

Additional Links

“Fallen Sky” is on display at Storm King Art Center

Out There’s forthcoming kids’ podcast, Once Upon a Meadow, is set to launch in February.

Out There and The Lonely Palette are members of Hub & Spoke, a collective of smart, idea-driven independent podcasts.

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Fear Is the Thing with Fins

What if your own anxiety is the most dangerous part?

 
Life is a risk. And I’m not about to stop because there are some fears.
— Pat Gallant-Charette
 

BONUS // Guest Episode from The Briny

Fear is a powerful indicator that something could hurt us. But sometimes, the fear itself is the most dangerous part.

This is the story of marathon swimmer Pat Gallant-Charette. Because of something that happened to her when she was a teenager, Pat has to overcome a fear of deep water every time she competes. But she doesn’t let that stop her.

This is a special guest episode from The Briny, a podcast about how we’re changing the sea, and how the sea changes us.

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story and sound design by Matt Frassica

Additional Links

This story is from The Briny. It first aired in 2021.

You can find Pat Gallant-Charette here and see her swimming records here.

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About the Journey

 

High on Failure

Why hitting your breaking point could make you happier

Jordan Wirfs-Brock competes in the inaugural Infinitus race (photo by Victoria Petryshyn)

 
I had been building up this hard, heavy shell of stress, and when my body broke, the stress broke away, too.
— Jordan Wirfs-Brock
 

Season 3 // Episode 8

Every year, in the mountains of Vermont, a group of ultra runners gather for a 550-mile race called Infinitus.

It’s one of the toughest trail running races in existence.

Jordan Wirfs-Brock was no stranger to ultra marathons, but Infinitus broke her: she failed to finish. Surprisingly, though, the failure turned out to be one of the best things that's ever happened to her.

On this episode, Jordan takes us with her to the race course and shares the story of what happened.

This story first aired in 2016, and it won a gold medal for best independent podcast from Public Radio News Directors, Inc., or PRNDI.

Read the full episode transcript here

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story and sound design by Jordan Wirfs-Brock

Script editing by Willow Belden

Music includes selections from AudioBlocks

Additional Links

Support Out There on Patreon

If you’re really into suffering ultra-running, check out Infinitus

Follow Jordan on Twitter @jordanwb

 

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About the Journey

Pedaling and Paddling

What if the thing that brings you together also pulls you apart?

Dewey Gallegos on a mountain bike and Jessica Flock on a river (photos courtesy Dewey Gallegos and Jessica Flock)

 
When I saw what Jessica did — like, when she showed me a video of what rafting was ... I just remember thinking she was insane.
— Dewey Gallegos
 

Season 3 // Episode 7

Dewey Gallegos and Jessica Flock bonded over their passion for the outdoors. But they soon realized that the thing they had in common was also one of their biggest differences.

Their story takes us from the mountains of Wyoming to the rivers of Arizona and explores how hard it can be to share the thing you love most, with the person you love most.

This story first aired in 2015.

Click here to read the episode transcript.

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story and sound design by Willow Belden

Script editing by Leigh Paterson

Music includes selections from AudioBlocks and Blue Dot Sessions

Additional Links

Find Dewey Gallegos at the Pedal House and Jessica Flock at the Paddle House

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About the Journey

The Instinct to Kill

Deep down, are we all hunters?

 
I was curious about this ancient ritual — this masculine tradition where you go into the woods, just you and your dad, to go hunting. And you come out changed, somehow. Maybe more grown up.
— Sam Anderson
 

Season 3 // Episode 6

When Sam Anderson’s father invited him to go hunting for the first time, Sam was worried. What if he couldn’t bring himself to pull the trigger? And conversely, what if he could? What would that say about him?

On this episode, Sam takes us into the woods of New Jersey and explores the emotional complexity of taking the life of an animal.

This story first aired in 2017. It won a national award — first place for Best Independent Podcast — from Public Radio News Directors, Inc.

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story and sound design by Sam Anderson

Script editing by Willow Belden

Music includes selections from AudioBlocks and Blue Dot Sessions

Additional Links

Out There is a proud member of Hub & Spoke

Support Out There on Patreon

Sam Anderson’s upcoming series, entitled Crooked City Season 2: The Emerald Triangle, comes out Nov. 7.

 

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Too Poor to Dream?

How do you build a life of adventure when you’re barely scraping by?

for years, CHARLSIE SHAVER has yearned FOR A LIFE in the outdoors — but forging a new path hasn’t been straightforward. (PHOTO BY CHARLSIE SHAVER)

 
It can be hard to want stability and freedom at the same time.
— Charlsie Shaver
 

Season 3 // Episode 5

We often hear that “the outdoors is free.” But for Charlsie Shaver, just driving to a trailhead was often cost-prohibitive; hitting the road to explore America’s wild places was a luxury she could only dream of.

On this episode, Charlsie explores what it takes to build the life you want. How do you balance the need for stability with a thirst for freedom? And how do you keep dreaming, when you can barely pay the rent?

This story first aired in 2019.

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story and narration by Charlsie Shaver

Editing and sound design by Willow Belden

Music includes selections from AudioBlocks and Blue Dot Sessions

Additional Links

Follow Charlsie on Instagram @chickadeenatives and @mydestinyisunbound

Check out Charlsie’s native plant nursery here

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Selfless Acts

Why are some people overly generous?

BILL APPEL TALKS WITH A TRAVELER AT HIS AID STATION ALONG THE COLORADO TRAIL. (PHOTO BY WILLOW BELDEN)

 
I think even the most selfless people ultimately may be doing it for their own ego.
— Bill Appel
 

Season 3 // Episode 4

Bill Appel has devoted his retirement years to helping strangers.

He’s a “trail angel,” which means he hangs out on long-distance trails (the Appalachian Trail, the Continental Divide Trail, etc.) and brings treats to thru-hikers. He gives them food and water, offers rides into town to resupply, and cheers them on at some of the most demoralizing points in their journeys.

It’s a year-round operation, and he does it all for free.

On this episode, we pay a visit to one of his aid stations, and we explore what makes a person act so selflessly. (Hint: it’s probably not what you’d expect).

This story first aired in 2018, and it won a gold medal for best independent podcast from Public Radio News Directors Incorporated, or PRNDI.

Click here to read the episode transcript.

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story and sound design by Willow Belden

Story editing by Becky Jensen

Music includes selections from AudioBlocks and Blue Dot Sessions

Additional Links

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Blue Dive

Letting go of success — and finding your bliss

Tiffany Duong on a dive (Photo courtesy Tiffany Duong)

 
I’m determined to keep creating a life I don’t need a vacation from.
— Tiffany Duong
 

Season 3 // Episode 3

Tiffany Duong had achieved the pinnacle of success: she’d finished law school, worked for a big firm in LA, and traveled as much as she could. But she was miserable.

Then she went scuba diving in the Galapagos, and everything changed. Her story is about letting go of your safety net, embracing the unknown, and finding bliss.

This story first aired in 2018.

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story by Tiffany Duong

Editing and sound design by Willow Belden

Production assistance from Sara Hossainai

Music and sound effects include selections from AudioBlocks and Martin Erdtmann

Additional Links

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Failure In Success

Why reaching a goal can make you miserable

Willow Belden leaves an aid station to cycle the final 18 miles of the Laramie Enduro in 2015 (photo by Leigh Paterson)

 
Succeeding at something doesn’t make it worth doing.
— Willow Belden
 

Season 3 // Episode 2

In 2015, Willow Belden signed up for a 70-mile mountain bike race called the Laramie Enduro. She had always liked big athletic challenges. But this time, pushing her limits turned out to be a mistake.

On this episode, she shares her story. It's about trying to prove yourself — and learning when to say, “No.”

This story first aired in 2015, and it received a national award from Public Radio News Directors Inc. (second place for best independent podcast).

Click here to read the episode transcript.

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story and sound design by Willow Belden

Editing by Leigh Paterson

Music includes selections from AudioBlocks

Additional Links

Support Out There on Patreon

Laramie Range Epic (formerly known as the Laramie Enduro)

 

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Moral Compass

How do you decide whether to leave someone for dead?

MYLES OSBORNE'S CLIMBING GUIDE, DAN MAZUR (RED COAT), AND CLIMBER LINCOLN HALL (ORANGE) SHORTLY AFTER OSBORNE'S TEAM DISCOVERED HALL ON THE MOUNTAIN (PHOTO BY ANDREW BRASH)

 
As human beings, we tend to convince ourselves of certain things, and then we look for the evidence to back up the point that we want to make.
— Myles Osborne
 

Season 3 // Episode 1

When Myles Osborne set out to climb Mt. Everest, he knew he was up against a dangerous mountain. What he didn't consider was that it might not be his own life on the line.

Producer Phoebe Flanigan brings us Myles' story, exploring how we make moral decisions — like whether or not to help someone who's nearly dead.

This story first aired in 2017.

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Episode Notes

Credits

Story by Phoebe Flanigan

Editing by Willow Belden

Sound design by Chema Flores

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TRAILER: Nature's Nostalgia

As the world reopens, and you return to the things you once loved, let Out There be your sound track.

Our summer season will fuel your adventures with award-winning narratives and beloved fan favorites from the early days of Out There.

Each episode will sweep you into nature, invite you to think big, and offer inspiration for living your best life. Here’s a preview.

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Special thanks to Jessica Taylor and Sheeba Joseph for editorial assistance on this trailer.

BONUS: Adult-Onset Hunting

A guest episode from The Modern West podcast

Jessi Johnson, the founder of Artemis, teaches a woman how to load bullets into a hunting rifle at an all-women’s outdoor camp called BOW (short for Becoming An Outdoor Woman). Photo by Patrick Wine

The number of Americans hunting and fishing is declining, but women are bucking the trend.

On this guest episode from The Modern West podcast, journalist Melodie Edwards finds a sisterhood at an all-women hunting camp—and catches her first fish with her dad.

 

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Beach Bum

I thought I was a mountain mama

Padre Island National Seashore (Photo by Bo Jensen)

 
I didn’t just feel like I had to act as both mother and father. I felt like I was both.
— Bo Jensen
 

Season 2 // Episode 8

It’s healthy to know who you are. But sometimes, defining yourself too rigidly can be problematic.

On this episode, Bo Jensen takes us from the Gulf of Mexico to the Camino de Santiago and explores what happens when you stop forcing yourself to choose a single identity.

It’s a story about embracing the totality of who you are — and falling in love with new environments, one beach at a time.

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Episode Notes

Credits

  • Story by Bo Jensen

  • Story editing and sound design by Willow Belden

  • Music includes selections from Blue Dot Sessions and Storyblocks

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Never Enough

I thought I needed more from my relationship — and from nature

Shi Shi Beach (Photo by Paul Barach)

 
I still wonder if there was something I could have said — some magic combination of words that, when put together the right way at the right time, could have kept her in this world.
— Paul Barach
 

Season 2 // Episode 7

When we lose a loved one, many of us seek healing from the outdoors. But what happens when nature doesn’t cooperate — when the weather is bad, and your happy place is miserable? 

Today’s story takes us to “the most beautiful beach in Washington State” and explores what can we learn about grief and acceptance when nature is at its ugliest.

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Episode Notes

Credits

  • Story by Paul Barach

  • Story editing by Forrest Wood and Willow Belden

  • Sound design by Willow Belden

  • Music includes selections from Blue Dot Sessions and Storyblocks

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Measuring Up

I thought if I pushed myself harder, things would get easier

Christine Reed on the Colorado Trail (Photo courtesy Christine Reed)

 
Now that I’m not always trying to get there, I can ... enjoy being here.
— Christine Reed
 

Season 2 // Episode 6

It’s easy to measure our achievements based on what other people are doing. But how do you know what you should really expect from yourself?

This episode takes us from a mountain in Arkansas to an attempted thru-hike on the Appalachian Trail and explores how much better life can be when you realize your shortcomings might not be your fault.

Christine Reed has the story.

Read the episode transcript here.

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Episode Notes

Credits

  • Story by Christine Reed

  • Editing and sound design by Willow Belden

  • Music includes selections from AudioBlocks and Blue Dot Sessions

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